January 8th, 2009 Sharon is a fool and he knows it!

  • The Israeli incursions into the Occupied Territories and the meaningless seige of Yasser Arafat establishes only one thing:

    That Ariel Sharon is a butcher and he will act like one. Whoever thought he was made of 'statesman' material?

    But then, whoever thought that 'Israel' was a 'state'? :D


    Strategist.


  • Originally posted by muslim youth

    Now I know you are not a muslim but an I D I O T!!!

    Two things here.

    1- Sympathy is exactly what Arafat is looking for.

    2- Sharon doesn't give a hoot what anyone thinks of him because he know's he might be done at the end of this term. This guy is not a politician, he's an ex-soldier. He's doing what soldiers do. You think he's cracking down? Now he is. He's been patient for the most part, in the face of some very bloody bombings. Take heart though, Netanyahu is next in line, apparently.

    Then you can complain about him.


  • I don't think the US is helpless quite yet, but if Bush doesn't chastise Sharon to the same degree as he's chastised Arafat, it won't be long.


  • AOA
    Muslim brothers & sisters

    My only and sincere message to my muslim palestine brothers and sisters, death of glory is wortheir than life of humilation. Take the foot steps of Hazrat Ali (RA), Hazrat Umar (RA).

    Dont spoil your life and life after death by doing things which are not the teaching of Islam. Fight those who attack you. Dont do the things which which enemy do. IDF kills woman, childerns and unarmed youth. Please dont follow their evil way. It will not get you any where. We muslims do not let the good teaching og Islam even to our worst enemy.

    Please tries to distinguish muslims from barbaric IDF. I know that our palestine brothers lacks waepons and materials to repond. But what ever you had use it in a manner that it didnt spoil your life after death.

    Suicide bombs in civilian isrealis areas, blind firing at civilians, burning flags, throwing stones on tanks which infact has no way of resisting the agression. We muslims even in worst times never let the golden rules of Islam.

    Its is our duty also to support and even supply what ever we best could do to strenghten our brothers and sisters in this worst times of decades.

    May Allah give us guidence, courage, and understanding of Islam.

    Amen.


  • How can you be for God when you are against the children of Israel? There would have never been one war that Isreal would have fought, ever if Arabic and Palestinians opened their arms in brotherhood and fraternity and embraced Israel from the beginning! All wars of Israel are defensive in nature! God does not reward agression against his chosen people! Where have you recieved your knowledge of God but from Jews! Jews belief in God has changed the world and is the mother of both Christianity and Islam! You can say how bad the West is but in truth it is in God's favor! You recite and pat yourselves on the back as if you have a corner on God's Grace! I have no fear that we can war against the terrorist devils and crush them just as Israel is crushing the evil in the West Bank! Palestinians use every evil known to man in political struggle against the peaceful people of Israel! Just because the Jews have more weapons just means that it has been stupid to use suicide bombers! Israel is in the territories because of the acts of war perpetrated on Israel from the territories! Now they will destroy the infrastructure of evil terrorism and God is on their side not yours!


  • As salaamu alaikum akhtum B and Jamila...sloonakum? Allah yisallimkum.

    My sisters, I agree with both of you on what you have written. It is sad and a shame that the leaders of the Islamic countries are as corrupted as those who ally with the amrikkkunnis and the amrikkkunnis themselves. I can not understand for my life why any Muslim leader would want to help the very people who want to weaken the Ummah astaghfirullah?! It is like these ones have forgotten to FEAR ALLAH(swt) and their Day of Judgement how they act. Wallahi, they will know, it might be here in this life or in next, but they will pay and suffer for eternity for their fitnah.

    Sisters, I am with you...may Allah(swt) please to accept our salat and ebadah and have mercy and forgiveness on His true believing servants on our Day of Judgement and smite the munifq kaafir for eternity.


    Fi aman Allah. Allah hafiz ;) sis M.


  • So you agree they both should die!:p


  • Originally posted by rabidarab



    Are you referring to the death of Elie Hobeika? As it turned out, it was not Israel who killed Hobeika, it was an anti-Syrian Lebanese group with ties to the Lebanese government.

    well that's just typical of the isreali mossad... make it look as if it was carried out by someone other than themselves

    the isreali mossad motto "wage war by means of deception"


  • Originally posted by friendly in tex
    How can you be for God when you are against the children of Israel? There would have never been one war that Isreal would have fought, ever if Arabic and Palestinians opened their arms in brotherhood and fraternity and embraced Israel from the beginning! All wars of Israel are defensive in nature! God does not reward agression against his chosen people! Where have you recieved your knowledge of God but from Jews! Jews belief in God has changed the world and is the mother of both Christianity and Islam! You can say how bad the West is but in truth it is in God's favor! You recite and pat yourselves on the back as if you have a corner on God's Grace! I have no fear that we can war against the terrorist devils and crush them just as Israel is crushing the evil in the West Bank! Palestinians use every evil known to man in political struggle against the peaceful people of Israel! Just because the Jews have more weapons just means that it has been stupid to use suicide bombers! Israel is in the territories because of the acts of war perpetrated on Israel from the territories! Now they will destroy the infrastructure of evil terrorism and God is on their side not yours!


    Shema Yisrael!

    Barukh Shem k'vod malkhuto l'olam va-ed

    [Blessed be the Name of His glorious kingdom for ever and ever]


  • I don't like Yasser Arafat but even I'm beginning to feel sorry for him, because the same thing happened to Hazrat Uthman(ra)!


  • I dont see that their deaths would do anything. Just remove them both from power.


  • Originally posted by The Strategist


    Hmmmmm......more fatwas already! Read up some history on Uthman. Then you will perhaps wonder who was more favourable or unfavourable to one's cause. And steer clear of all bias. Might take you ages. But it is well worth it.

    If you are capable that is.

    Strategist.

    Now here it is where your wrong Brother,
    Let me give you some advice, all that time you waste on asking girls out, why don't YOU spend that time actually learning about the Companions of the Prophet Muhammad(saw).


  • I've been trying to make sense of Sharon's strategy for some time now, and I just don't see it. I'm not sure if it is his foolish pride, or a misunderstanding of his enemy that drives him. Further, I'm not sure which is worse.

    As for arafat's strategy ... hmm ... It's not one i'd take, but i do think it's a recognizable strategy. One that he's been working on for a long time. Obviously not as effective as he hoped either. I mainly attribute that to an ignorance of his enemy and maybe even his allies.

    In my humble opinion, neither of these men are going to further any kind of peace


  • Originally posted by chaotic1
    I don't think the US is helpless quite yet, but if Bush doesn't chastise Sharon to the same degree as he's chastised Arafat, it won't be long.

    Hmmmm....just chastise for public consumption?

    How about giving the Palestinians some aid and imposing some sanctions against the Sharon regime of terror for the Israeli non compliance with the UN resolutions?

    Far cry isn't it?

    Thought so.

    Strategist.


  • Originally posted by seven
    Sharon is a genius... because he's managed to assasinate the witnesses againt his war crimes.



    Are you referring to the death of Elie Hobeika? As it turned out, it was not Israel who killed Hobeika, it was an anti-Syrian Lebanese group with ties to the Lebanese government.


  • As salaamu alaikum akht B....JKK my sis ;)

    I agree completely with all you have wrote alhamdulillah. Also, I do not know what kind of hypocrisy Arafat practices, but it is wicked. Example is this, to amriikkka and her backbending cohorts he will say that he wants to help them and their cause to "fight terrorism" but on several of his public addresses to the Palestinians, he encourages them to fight our oppressors using Arabic language...a double crossing, lying hypocrite if we ever heard. Then he claims that he wants to die shaheed if Israeli militants kill him while in his compound....astaghfirullah...he is a lying and double-talking kufr in Muslim robes and his wife is as wicked as a serpent...may Allah(swt) grant them their due Punishment ma'shAllah....

    However, the softness in my heart sympathizes with him as I think he was the only leader I have heard of where tanks were rolled right up to his doors and fired upon his property....even though I do not respect him as a leader, I still think his treatment from the yahuud zionists is inhumane and neanderthal...

    If he lives through this, may Allah(swt) guide him back to the Straight Path of Islam inshAllah. Allah hafiz ;) sis M.


  • Originally posted by Stanley Levin



    Shema Yisrael!

    Barukh Shem k'vod malkhuto l'olam va-ed

    [Blessed be the Name of His glorious kingdom for ever and ever]

    Indeed His Kingdom is great.

    And it is NOT the illicit blood thirsty tyrannical so called state of Israel that has struggled to exist for the last 50 years. Whose survival depends upon the misery of innocents, both within and outside its disputed borders.


    Whose citizens fear death as if it is a ticket to Hell, not Heaven.


    Strategist.


  • Sharon is kicking terrorist butt all over the place and is threatening to go wider to wipe out evil! Sharon is a great man doing a hard job and he could care less about how people feel towards him personally! I think that the terrorist infrastructure built in the territories over the last 10 years is being dismantled and he is taking the teeth out of the Palestinian tiger at his back door!

    I am so happy he is finally taking the initiative and doing something about terrorists in his midst, the whole world will be safer from terrorists by his actions!:D


  • AOA brother Strat, sister Muslim Youth and all Muslimeen,

    Good point brother Strat. I dunno who thought Shikshak Shaghon was a 'statesman'; a fatman, yes, an evil man definitely and a butcher, most certainly.

    Still, you know the old adage about those who live by the sword (or tank, helicopter gunship etc.). He'll have the same fate as that scoundrel Re'eavn Ze'evi who's rotting in the burning pit that is Hell, Insha'allah.

    I also agree with you sis Muslim Youth. I normally don't have any sympathy for Arafat because I feel he sold out the Palestinians and I don't like his secularism or his kuffar wife, but in this instance, I do feel sorry for him.

    But we should not lose heart because the ultimate victory will belong to the Believers, Insha'allah. These are all trials and tribulations, which the Muslims Nation will overcome. Shaghon and his peeps have the Wrath of the Creator upon them and that is good enough. He (ASWT) who created them knows them best. ;-)

    W/S,


    B


  • Originally posted by chaotic1
    One aspect of Sharon's incursion that doesn't make sense to me is that Arafat is now completely helpless to stop any group or individual in Palestine from retaliatory strikes against Israel, no matter if he wanted to or not. In short, the demands of President Bush for Arafat to rein in terrorists and/or terrorist groups (Hamas, Al Aqsa Martyr Brigades, etc) is laughable, given the current scenario. You can't "quarantine" someone with the power to stop unwanted actions, render the police force useless, and then demand that they do so.

    Goodwork Chaotic1. The 'intifada' has survived inspite of Arafat, rather than because of him. Whether he is made 'isolated' or exiled or killed, the Palestinians will continue their just struggle for their homeland. With more fervour than before.

    And Israel is helpless. So is the USA. And George Bush knows it.

    Strategist.


  • Originally posted by muslim youth

    Now I know you are not a muslim but an I D I O T!!!

    Hmmmmm......more fatwas already! Read up some history on Uthman. Then you will perhaps wonder who was more favourable or unfavourable to one's cause. And steer clear of all bias. Might take you ages. But it is well worth it.

    If you are capable that is.

    Strategist.


  • Sharon is a genius... because he's managed to assasinate the witnesses againt his war crimes.

    I don't understand you people... do you expect the Palestians to just sit there twiddling their thumbs while Isreal claims more and more Palestinian land? What is this "genius's" strategy behind building more and more jewish settlements in Palestine anyway? It's obvious he doesn't want peace, he just blames Arafat to take the blame away from himself.


  • Tex's post: factually incoirrect or you just don't like it?he is a lying and double-talking kufr in Muslim robes and his wife is as wicked as a serpent...may Allah(swt) grant them their due Punishment ma'shAllah.... What did his wife do?


  • Originally posted by muslim youth
    So you agree they both should die!:p

    I did not say that. However, if it helps their cause, whatever that is, death should not be a worry, should it?

    Afterall, so many suicide bombers have died for their cause. Shouldn't Yasser Arafat set an example by leadership?

    What fear of death is there for a believer?

    Strategist.


  • strategist vommited:"Not really. Yasser Arafat hasn't yet been stabbed to death or been buried in a Jewish graveyard

    oh BOY ONE OF THE SHII NONESENSE AGAIN, FOR ALL MY DEAR MUSLIM READERS PLEASE CLICK: http://www.ansar.org/english and go to the link "answering al-tijani's lies on uthman ibn affan. YOU WILL FIND THAT THIS SHII LIE HAS BEEN REFUTED THERE WITH REFRENCE FROM THE AUTHENTIC NARRATIONS,


  • One aspect of Sharon's incursion that doesn't make sense to me is that Arafat is now completely helpless to stop any group or individual in Palestine from retaliatory strikes against Israel, no matter if he wanted to or not. In short, the demands of President Bush for Arafat to rein in terrorists and/or terrorist groups (Hamas, Al Aqsa Martyr Brigades, etc) is laughable, given the current scenario. You can't "quarantine" someone with the power to stop unwanted actions, render the police force useless, and then demand that they do so.


  • Ws Wr Wb Akhti Monikha,

    Shukran jazeelan wa jazakallah khair. :-) And I agree with you and brother Mtsmallick. Arafat has been making too many compromises with the Yahud and he seems quite La Deen. My Khal once met him in Qatar in the 1970s and said he smelt alcohol on his breath when he hugged him. His wife is also a kafir. With leaders like that in our Ummah, what can one do? I wish he'd stand up to the Yahudi geratheem and become a martyr, to make way for proper leaders (i.e. Hamas).


    Fi Amanallah



    sis B.


  • AOA
    Islamic Brothers & Sisters

    First of all we just have to stop becoming sentimental about Arafat. Why? Because in my personal opinion, he now doesnot represent a leader who leads his men for struggle. He is now to me a loser begging every time to west and USA for help and mercy. I wish that Arafat should have remain a terrorist instead of puppet president of so called Palestine state. Atleast he can die a decent death instead of this huge huge humilation he has been suffering not himself but also people of palestine.

    I dont consider him a leader, he a zero person and its upto isrealis to kill him, caputre him or through him out of this palestine land. No body can stop them. Humilation!

    I hear his word after 9-11 when he (Arafat) says "Osama has no right to talk about palestine cause". Now world has seen how champion of Palestine cause is strip off not only from people but hiding like a rat in bunker and begging and shouting at CNN.

    My opinion is that its all Arafat and USA understanding to stage this drama in order to eliminate those hard liners who opposes Arafat humilated comprise with Isreal. so by setting this drama, Isreal leaving arafat, killing and Arresting all peoples (so called hardliner) by besiging all the area and searching house to house. this will work for arafat in the way that Arafat has the freedom for making a compromise deal with Isreal and this besige or even expelling drama creates his sympathy in his people and in the world. this is my opinion.

    Any way, a decent death is much worthier than a humilation life.

    My sincere opinion to the palestine people is to rethink again and reunite under the sincere and brave leadership of some one else who has the will and dignity to put resistance to isrealis with faith.

    Arafat is a loser. He is nothing but a coward, selfish and a conspirator. i think Arafat deliberately uses the politics of making killed innocent and younger boys and girls to support his leadership.

    Its time for Hamas and Islamic jehad to stop bombing Isrealis people. This doesnot helping their cause and their religion. Its only shows their frustrstion and disoppointment. they should make rethinking in their activities and unite and cordinate each other and stage some armed gurellia ataacks on Isrealis occupying forces inside palestine. For this they should accquire any weapons from any source. Dont let little boys dieing of just throwing a stone on tank. Stop burning flags. Re-unite and rethink. Make use of every bit in sensible and justified way. Sucide bombing producing more resistance and strength in Isrealis and thus not working for Palestine resistance cause.

    This is my personal opinion, and every has the right to disagree with me.

    May Allah give us faith and guidence and pray also that when we die, die with faith like caliph Usman (RA). Not like Arafat. Amen.


  • Originally posted by The Strategist


    Not really. Yasser Arafat hasn't yet been stabbed to death or been buried in a Jewish graveyard. Yet.

    While the Zionist Jews have beseiged a 'stateless' Arafat, Uthman was beseiged by Muslim rebels of a state that Uthman was the supposed head of.

    However, I believe Yasser Arafat deserves more sympathy than Uthman did. If any of them really do deserve any in the first place.


    Strategist.
    Now I know you are not a muslim but an I D I O T!!!


  • Originally posted by M.H.Mubarak
    Message from M.H.Mubarak aka Abdallah786

    Unfortunately, we lose sight of Allahu ta'ala's Blessing on this region of land. In the heat of the horrors of war and high emotions of injustice and revenge on both sides of the conflict, there is no voice of "reason" that will halt the escalation of this conflict. It will come to a brutal and ugly end, with no real victor. Since the time of The Blessed Prophet Muhammad, each successive generation has lost a portion of the "Nur (Light) of Islam." Modern Mankind, has never quite gotten it. "Mankind was given the gift of being the "Khalifa (Protector, Guardian) of the Earth". Modern Muslims have lost the integrity of "The Superior Position"... and collectively we know not how to regain it...we only fool ourselves if we think that "we" can. Allahu ta'ala has the solution, but none of us have the ears to hear, nor the vision to see it. The "Holy Land " must suffer at the hands of our corrupted hearts and minds. Pray that Allahu ta'ala rescues us soon from this delemma.


    Well said. If only half of the people in that small sliver of land known as Israel were half as wise as you the bloodshed would surely cease.


  • Originally posted by Monikha Maleehah
    Tex...if you are attempting to anger Muslims within this forum with your stupid thoughts, you and your countrymen are dead wrong. You see, as patient and perservering servants to our Almighty Creator(swt), we are being tested in our eeman during times like this that face the Ummah. Our seperation from you is that we ally ourselves with the One who is most powerful and oft-returning to those who keep regular rememberance and repentance to Him, while you and your arrogant countrymen and allies join forces with the historically cursed children of Israel. This little celebratory statement of yours will be shortlived, much like the sense of morals in the west....we will watch and wait as you all continue destroying yourselves in this life and enevitably, the next. Your laughs and mockery of this situation for the problems facing the Ummah is pitiful, for your words speak volumes of FEAR.


    Allah hafiz ;) sis M.
    Assalaam Alaykum, sister Monikha.

    I agree with you 100%. :) These spineless disbelievers know only how to blow the trumpet on behalf of the yahudi rejected - and seek to twist the blame of all they have created into our (Muslim) laps. :p :rolleyes:

    Never give them "right", always expose their "wrong"! ;) Alhamdulillah.

    And may Allah direct the Jihad of pen and mind, soul and heart and give us physical and spiritual victory over the dunya bound.
    jamila :)


  • Originally posted by The Strategist


    How about giving the Palestinians some aid and imposing some sanctions against the Sharon regime of terror for the Israeli non compliance with the UN resolutions?


    Strategist.

    I personally would have no problem with this whatsoever. Bush's problem (well, one of them), in my opinion, is that he seems to think that Arafat can wave a magic wand and make the suicide bombings go away. He can't. I don't think he has that much power any longer. The US should suspend all military support to Israel immediately, force Sharon to pull out of Palestinian occupied lands and institute the 1967 borders. If this means "relocating" Israeli "squatters", so be it.


  • Originally posted by seven


    well that's just typical of the isreali mossad... make it look as if it was carried out by someone other than themselves

    the isreali mossad motto "wage war by means of deception"

    Yes, yes, yes. I keep forgetting that an inconvenient fact can easily be dismissed as zionist lies and propaganda. Sorry, there is already more than enough evidence that points to the anti-syrian lebanese group. The Lebanese government had motive and opportunity. Although Sharon may have had motive, Mossad did not have an opportunity.


  • Message from M.H.Mubarak aka Abdallah786

    Unfortunately, we lose sight of Allahu ta'ala's Blessing on this region of land. In the heat of the horrors of war and high emotions of injustice and revenge on both sides of the conflict, there is no voice of "reason" that will halt the escalation of this conflict. It will come to a brutal and ugly end, with no real victor. Since the time of The Blessed Prophet Muhammad, each successive generation has lost a portion of the "Nur (Light) of Islam." Modern Mankind, has never quite gotten it. "Mankind was given the gift of being the "Khalifa (Protector, Guardian) of the Earth". Modern Muslims have lost the integrity of "The Superior Position"... and collectively we know not how to regain it...we only fool ourselves if we think that "we" can. Allahu ta'ala has the solution, but none of us have the ears to hear, nor the vision to see it. The "Holy Land " must suffer at the hands of our corrupted hearts and minds. Pray that Allahu ta'ala rescues us soon from this delemma.


  • Originally posted by muslim youth
    I don't like Yasser Arafat but even I'm beginning to feel sorry for him, because the same thing happened to Hazrat Uthman(ra)!

    Not really. Yasser Arafat hasn't yet been stabbed to death or been buried in a Jewish graveyard. Yet.

    While the Zionist Jews have beseiged a 'stateless' Arafat, Uthman was beseiged by Muslim rebels of a state that Uthman was the supposed head of.

    However, I believe Yasser Arafat deserves more sympathy than Uthman did. If any of them really do deserve any in the first place.


    Strategist.


  • Tex...if you are attempting to anger Muslims within this forum with your stupid thoughts, you and your countrymen are dead wrong. You see, as patient and perservering servants to our Almighty Creator(swt), we are being tested in our eeman during times like this that face the Ummah. Our seperation from you is that we ally ourselves with the One who is most powerful and oft-returning to those who keep regular rememberance and repentance to Him, while you and your arrogant countrymen and allies join forces with the historically cursed children of Israel. This little celebratory statement of yours will be shortlived, much like the sense of morals in the west....we will watch and wait as you all continue destroying yourselves in this life and enevitably, the next. Your laughs and mockery of this situation for the problems facing the Ummah is pitiful, for your words speak volumes of FEAR.


    Allah hafiz ;) sis M.







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